Chalk Lake Controversy

There has been a lot of heated debate over at the canadianwelcome blog about the issue of  whether Chalk Lake should be open for everyone to use, not just the residents. Since I’m trying to bring all of the Chalk Lake posts over to this blog, I’ve selected parts of a number of the comments to get an overview of the question involved. As you can see from reading these excepts below, people feel quite strongly about this (in fact, a number had very fond childhood memories of going to the lake) and as an impartial observer, I can see both sides.

  • There is no public access to Chalk Lake. The beach lot is administered and maintained by the Rapsey Subdivision Lot Owners Association for the sole benefit of the property owners in the Rapsey subdivision and their guests.
  • If you have deeded access to Chalk Lake then fish your heart out. It’s a good practise for residents of the lake to monitor the fish population for size & quality. With limited algae & fish food it’s important to document your catches in the event of a declining population . The MNR can always restock if numbers get too low.
  • l’ve researched the Lake at the Lands registry office in Whitby , it is assigned a pin number but my understanding is that it relates to right of way access to the Lake by the individual land owners but does not constitute actual owership of the lake. Therefore no one individual has a right to enforce whether you fish it or not.
  • I hope that these people on chalk lake take really good care of this piece of heaven.
  • It is a beautiful lake that I fished regularly with my long since departed father, years ago…great childhood memories.
  • I must say it does sadden me to see one of God’s beautiful creations become a place where only a handful of people can enjoy. I pray one day someone with scads of money will buy up the entire place and open it to the children once more, wishful thinking to be sure.
  • The needs of the many should out weigh the needs of the few
  • Why should i have to drive 2 hours to spend some quality outdoor time with my family when there are areas so close to home.
  • Chalk Lake is merely an example of a much bigger picture, our country is slipping quickly away from the people and into the hands of money and the government, a slippery slope indeed.
  • I believe, because it’s a natural lake it should be enjoyed by all, it should be illegal for people to buy up land around natural wonders and hoard it for themselves.
  • There should be a public park and access on these lakes for all to enjoy. If the Lake was paid for and made by the residents I would have no problem in it being private.
  • Interesting that the public is not allowed on this lake and the Ministry of Natural Resources stocks this so called private lake with taxpayer dollars…
  • How you would go about fishing the lake considering the lake is lined with cottages/houses and the areas that aren’t seem to be lined with with marsh and forest. which would be very difficult to launch a canoe or kayak as it would be far from the road to me the best bet is walk through the forest until u find a good enough spot from shore to fish cause i doubt any of these people will let you launch from their property.  (note: the forest mentioned in this comment is also privately owned).

If I were one of the Chalk Lake property owners, I certainly wouldn’t want people traipsing through my land at all hours of the day to use the lake. And I don’t think the fault lies with the owners themselves. It was mentioned that this is one of many lakes with limited access to the public, so maybe the government should think about allowing some public access before selling all of the land around our lakes. Or is that too simplistic a solution?

For instance, near my house, there is a little park totally surrounded by houses, but there is an opening the width of a driveway to allow non-residents to use the park. Would something similar work for lake properties, or are there other problems that would result if the public were allowed access? What do you think?

 

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Living on the Lake

fall flowers at Chalk LakeHistory of Country Living

By Eleanor McCallum

Here in the twenty-first century, I now live on a lake for the second time in my life.

There were many years of city living between the first and second period of country living but that is another story for another time.

The first time we lived on a lake, my family of husband, four daughters and baby son lived in a cabin so close to the lake that my daughter Dianne could fish out of our living room window.

She once caught a turtle which caused no small amount of excitement in our home that day.

Aside from that, the girls loved to walk out the front door at Bell’s Lake in their swim suits and jump in the lake to swim. We didn’t have a dock but were able to walk in from a shallow area near the shore. The water wasn’t very deep so all the girls learned to swim and enjoyed their summer’s there.

My husband even enjoyed the winters there until the day he fell through the ice. We were afraid he wouldn’t find his way back up through the hole in the ice but he did and we were all thankful that he was able to sit by the stove to warm up after his ordeal.

The home on the lake where I live now was probably a cottage at one time, however since my son in law is a talented carpenter it is a most beautiful home among many others around this lovely lake.

Chalk Lake is quite close to the city of Pickering, a small city just outside the larger city of Toronto. We can drive to either one in less than forty-five minutes to be surrounded by shopping plazas and malls where we can shop for all of our needs and more.

There are more than one hundred lakes in this province spanning several hundred miles. Wikipedia lists all of their names; however there are a few private lakes that are not listed there including Chalk Lake and Bell’s Lake.

The beauty of the countryside can be seen almost everywhere you go here in Ontario. In autumn, people come from other countries to visit just for the pleasure of viewing our amazing fall colors.

Each and every day I wake up with thankfulness in my heart for the country and province that I live in and of course for my family, all grown up now and extended with grandchildren, great and great-great grandchildren. I have showers of blessings from all directions.

My name is Eleanor McCallum. I am in my mid eighties and have been enjoying the internet and working on line for several years.

My past experience is in the Accounting and Bookkeeping field. However my interests today are affiliate marketing, blogging and creating ebooks or guides.

I have designed several websites using WordPress with its unique use of plugins and widgets. If you would like a website set up for you please get in touch with me by visiting my site.

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More Chalk Lake Photos

Even though we’ve had some hot weather, I’m not sure if the water in Chalk Lake is quite warm enough for swimming yet, but it always looks inviting and my grandson loves to fish there whenever we go for a visit.

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Facts About Chalk Lake

When researching the Chalk Lake legend, I picked up the following facts about the lake:

  • At its deepest point, the lake hits a depth of 70 feet, according to divers in the area.
  • Chalk Lake was formed 10,000 years ago by a receding glacier and is a kettle lake, meaning it was created by a leftover block of ice.
  • Chalk Lake measures approximately 19 hectares.
  • A variety of wildlife are in the area and a number of different kinds of plants.
  • Fish found in Chalk Lake include suckers and largemouth bass.
  • No motors are allowed on the lake.

Any more facts you’d like to add?

 

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Chalk Lake Legend

Chalk LakeWhat was once known as the Chalk Lake legend became a fact when local divers found parts of a missing wagon. This has all the makings of a great mystery story, but all I could find on the Internet about it was an article by Blake Wolfe in The Scugog Standard.

Here is some of the informatio from Blake’s article:
“The area has been the site of family farms and human habitation for decades. A dance hall on the southern side of Chalk Lake, built in the 1930s, once hosted community get-togethers and still opens for special events from time to time.

Uxbridge resident and recreational diver Michael Bice came across the story somewhat by accident. A recent member of the Chalk Lake neighbourhood, Mr. Bice recalled speaking with another resident about the area when the conversation turned to talk of a local woman, who, one winter in the late 1800s, disappeared beneath the ice of Chalk Lake with her wagon and team of horses while trying to cross the semi-frozen surface.

“She was never found. Obviously, they didn’t have scuba gear back then,” said Mr. Bice.
Eager to find the remains, Mr. Bice and son Dylan went snorkeling in the lake this past June. The pair found a wagon at a depth of 30 ft. near the northern shore of Chalk Lake, which could very well belong to the woman in the story.

“The wheel spokes are long gone, but the metal frame is still intact,” said Mr. Bice. “It must have been down there a long time. Wood should last a long time in cold water, and the fact that it’s gone from this wheel means it was there for quite a while.”

As for plans to remove the wagon, Mr. Bice said that it is half-submerged in a foot of silt at the bottom of Chalk Lake. That silt also makes for poor visibility at times, which Mr. Bice said was only about four feet at the time of the dive.

“We have no plans to bring it up as it has more historical value in the location where it went through the ice,” said Mr. Bice.

As for the story of the wagon, Mr. Bice has future dives planned in which he hopes to unveil more of the story.
“I’m positive that her bones will always be there,” said Mr. Bice. “They’ll be preserved in the cold water and it’s our quest to find them. Who knows what else is down there?”

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Isn’t that a great story? Now I would love to know more about the lady – who was she, where was she going and what were the circumstances around the whole tale? Makes for interesting reading, don’t you think? And also make me a little uneasy next time I go there for a swim:)

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Photos of Chalk Lake

Although the lake is probably still fairly frozen, warm weather should be just around the corner. I thought you might like a few Chalk Lake photos to warm your day and get you thinking spring at the lake. I realize these are early October pictures, but they still show the beauty of Chalk Lake without a hint of snow. And I love the reflection on the water!

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Historical Chalk Lake

One of our regular readers, Harry Hayes, sent a message about his wife’s new Chalk Lake blog. It looks very interesting, especially the history aspects. And I love the photos of the original house.

“Hi Everyone, My wife,Elfie has just started writing a blog about our lives here in Chalk Lake Valley. I hope you enjoy it.
The address is:

http://citymousecountryhouse.wordpress.com

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Chalk Lake Former Comments

Since I wasn’t able to transfer the comments with each of the posts, I am just going to add them all here, one after the other. If you want to read the background information, you’ll have to go to the Canadian Welcome site and read the whole post. Sorry for the confusion. I’m loving your comments, fond memories, and history of the lake, so please keep them coming.

Here are the comments. If you have answers to any of these questions, please respond. I, for one, would love to find out more about the horse drawn wagon that disappeared on the lake:

  • I have been researching my family geneology and apparently a branch had a farm on Chalk Lake. Their names were James and Margaret Ross and started farming about. 1840. Is Chalk Lake in the Port Perry region or the old township of Reach?
  • I was passing by Lakeridge Rd. and had a quick pick at the lake and it looked beautiful. I want to come there with my family for a picnic or something…is there a public park or a public place around the lake? >  the answer to that was no.
  • My wife Arlene & I have lived on Chalk Lake since 1985 and consider it our bit of paradise. You are right. There is no public access to Chalk Lake. The beach lot is administered and maintained by the Rapsey Subdivision Lot Owners Association for the sole benefit of the property owners in the Rapsey subdivision and their guests.
  • It is a beautiful lake that I fished regularly with my long since departed father,years ago…great childhood memories. I must say it does sadden me to see one of Gods beauitiful creations become a place where only a handful of people can enjoy, as Jesus once so aptly said, money is indeed the route of all evil….alas it is the way of modern man and it is almost impossible to find a place where a man can bring his family for free and enjoy some sunshine and good outdooor times, I am sure God is displeased but I think he’s gotten used to that feeling by now. I pray one day someone with scads of money will buy up the entire place and open it to the children once more, wishful thinking to be sure but I do have hope and faith.
  • I have passed by this little many times always wanted to fish this lake. Is the lake closed to that as well ? > Answer – closed to fishing by others.
  • I have been looking for a no motor lake for a long time and I have been watching for any listings on Chalk Lake that might come available, We would like to build or retro fit a small cottage for off the grid green living. Does anyone know of an owner that want to sell or an agent that works in this area. Much appreciated for your help, Cathy.
  • Hi Carol, what would qualify a home on the west side of Lake Ridge Rd. directly across from Chalk Lake to become a member of the Lake association?
  • I became interested in learning more about Chalk Lake after spotting it on a map. It is in an area I enjoy and seemed remote enough to promise peace and quiet. It seems there are many who enjoy its serenity and I will continue to periodically check for listings in the area. In the meantime, have fun there!
  • I have been trying to fish chalk lake a few times and had no luck. Maybe I’m using the wrong lures or maybe the lake is to acidic? it is very deep mind you’. Would anybody know what kind of fish lurk in chalk lake? So far ive heard rainbow trout and possibly walleye.”though i did see panfish”. My guess is that the lake is to acidic, because i dont see much vegatation in the water i.e weeds,lily pads. There is very little to non’ of info about chalk lake that i can find. i would like to know if water quality test have been done lately?
  • ice fishes chalk lake”. funny you say that, because i have’. Ive taken my St.bernard with me on the ice for a few hrs. fishing’ no luck lol,. Though i do get the impression that fishing is like committing a crime on this lake?
    Ive recently received a note on my truck by a neighbor of chalk lake asking to call a person by the name of kevin? I don’t want to call him’ im just afraid that he’ll argue his preach of no fishing! From a naturalist point of view- i think its a shame that I have to feel this way.
  • lf you have deeded access too Chalk Lake then fish your heart out. There is such a thing as fish n release ! also it’s a good practise for residents of the lake too monitor the fish population for size & quality. With limited algae & fish food it’s important too document your catches in the event of a declining population . The MNR can always restock if numbers get too low. l’ve researched the Lake at the Lands registry office in Whitby , it is assigned a pin number but my understanding is that it relates too right of way access too the Lake by the individual land owners but does not constitute actual ownership of the lake. Therefore no one individual has a right too enforce whether you fish it or not. I live across the road from the lake and have permission from my neighbour too scuba dive the greater depths….. we are trying too locate the horse drawn wagon that went through the ice many years ago , among other things over time.
  • l don’t know the exact year but as the story goes a woman was driving a team of horses and wagon over the ice on Chalk Lake and went through, they were never found. The exact location is a mystery. We are a group of professional divers that would like to explore & map the lake bottom for points of interest. There is probably an abundance of history just underneath the surface yet too be explored. If your sister would give us permission too enter the Lake via her proerty or access we would gladly explore the lake bottom out of interest. Let me know.
  • Thanks for this picture! My family owned a lakefront cottage here when I was growing up… I believe it’s Pickering Township (in answer to Sharon so long ago) — I live in California now and have not been back since my childhood but this remains my very favourite spot on the entire earth. Many happy memories, I knew many of the locals.
  • Carol: one more question – can you please ask your sister for the address of the Rapsey Subdivision Lot Owners Association for me? I’d like to write them a letter. > I never could find out, can anyone help with this?
  • Our cottage was just one lot away from the beach lot btw… there used to be a caretaker/guardians’ cottage on the beach lot and the family there lived on the lake year-round. The next family over from ours also lived on the lake year-round. Our place was not ‘winterized’ and we were only there from spring thaw through late fall.
  • Hello everyone. My wife and I reside across the road from Chalk Lake and have listed & sold numerous properties on the lake over the years. I have been in the area for 17 yrs and I’m very familiar with Chalk Lake. I’ve been the owner of Sutton Group Status Realty Inc.in Oshawa for 21 years and I am happy to offer information to anyone who may be interested in moving to the area. As someone mentioned, properties seldom become available on the lake and it is truly a jewel. My wife and I are friends with many of the residents and as such have gotten to know a great deal about the lake and the area. I’m happy to have found this blog and will visit and post as I have information that is of interest. I have enjoyed reading all your posts. I also wanted to mention what a great job Mike has done in discovering things about the lake that many of us have wondered about since we moved to the area. Mike’s article in the Scugog Standard was insightful.
  • Hello Carol, I wanted to respond to the visitor Marlowe Stone who asked about properties for sale in the area. I currently know of one, but have no way of contacting her directly, so I’ll leave my contact info on this post. She may contact me anytime as this is my email hhayes.golf@gmail.com
  • It’s really beautiful up here tonight. Everything is covered with a dusting of fresh snow and with the lights of the ski hills you can enjoy the view at night. I have a motion sensor camera and got some great coyote and wild turkey photos this week, but I have no way of sharing them here, so I’ll post them to my blog at http://harrysrealestate.wordpress.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Update Re Old Comments

For any of the Chalk Lake readers that would like to read the comments about the lake, I couldn’t transfer them over to this blog. To access them, please go to the Canadian Welcome site and you will still find them there. I’m hoping to start adding photos and more stories about Chalk Lake here in the near future. If you have an requests or suggestions, I would love to hear them.

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Chalk Lake Homes

Although expensive, two properties on Chalk Lake just sold recently. One was listed for about $900,000 and the other was a house a bit closer to the beach lot. Its listing price was about $800,000. The only house left for sale is on Lake Ridge Road. Although not on Chalk Lake Road, it still has lake access.

There are also two vacant lots available on Chalk Lake Road right now. If interested, you should find out what building or other usage is permitted on those sites. Since Chalk Lake is a private lake, there are a number of restrictions which should be taken into consideration when thinking about a purchase here.

And in case you’re wondering how the swimming is – even though the weather can be quite warm, the water is still a little chilly.

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